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Cris,
we need the "Concert Hall" Type and a list of concert halls, please. There are practically hundreds of them in the world
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Take a look at Micah’s draft Performance Venue type and Robert’s draft Performance venue as well. A concert hall is a kind of performance venue; what additional properties would it need that these Performance venue types don’t have?
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I am not thinking of any new properties, I only need the list at the moment
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Ok, thank you
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A composer writes MORE than songs, e.g. symphonies, tone poems, chamber music, etc. There is no way one can mix these with songs together. Can we, please, have a special property for this?
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This is a good point. I’ve renamed the “Songs composed” property to “Works composed”; it already expected the Composition type but was poorly named.
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Hey, this is fantastic! The truth is we need BOTH. There are composers who only write songs, for them is it good to have the "Songs composed" property.
Others write all sorts of things and for them we need the "Works composed."
One should have the choice between the two alternatives, use the one which is needed and let the other one obscured
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I disagree pretty strongly. Artistic judgments, particularly judgments of quality (when does a mere song rise to the level of composition?) are so very subjective as to invite edit wars. We have the Songwriter type with which a Composer can be co-typed if appropriate. But segregating the works—are Schubert’s Lieder songs, or compositions? And what about career songwriters like Billy Joel or Paul McCartney who start writing classical compositions late in life?
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I did not mean to separate the songs from the works "within" the same composer! I wanted to keep Billy Joel and Schubert separately!!
"Songs composed" = Billy
"Works composed" = Schubert
That's why we need both categories
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But Billy Joel has composed classical music. So has Paul McCartney. It doesn’t make sense to shoehorn their classical compositions into a song bucket just because most of their work has been songs.
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Alright, I see your point. So what do we have now?
Songwriter with Songs composed and
Composer with Works composed ?
If so, then everything is fine
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Currently, Songwriter has no properties of its own. It is a convenience type which includes Composer (with “Works composed”) and Lyricist (with “Lyrics written”), as well as Person (with all its properties).
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Why can't we have "Songwriter" with "Songs composed"? It makes sense and we need it
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Some composers are good arrangers, again, one cannot mix their arrangements with their original compositions, that is a differernt category...
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I wrestled with this for a while before deciding the other way. Sometimes it’s very clear, as Grainger’s several arrangements of his setting of “Country Gardens.” However, sometimes it’s much blurrier; the folk song “Country Gardens” existed for centuries before Grainger did his definitive scoring of it. Consider also Jimi Hendrix’s arrangement of “The Star-Spangled Banner,” Coltrane’s “My Favorite Things,” or the notion that the 1812 Overture is an arrangement of “La Marseillaise” and the Russian national anthem. The Arrangement type makes the nature of the composition clear, but the creative rôle of the arranger is hard to limit so precisely.
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That's true, so what do we do, for example when a composer takes a cantata and makes it into a PIANO CONCERTO?? I just had this problem with Xian Xinghai who wrote the Yellow River Cantata, which was transformed by a Chinese pianist into the Yellow River Piano Concerto! Who does take the credit for the new composition? I think the "arranger," but at the moment there is no way how we can credit HIM. You, as a pianist, should care about this...
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I just edited the Yellow River Piano Concerto. It is now credited to the arranger, but also marked as an arragnement of the Yellow River Cantata, which has its own composer.
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That's correct, thank you!
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Hi there, I'm working with someone who is trying to use Freebase as a semi-official database of their catalog. But one thing that seems to be missing is a place to put an album's catalog ID from the publisher (Kind of how books have "Book Edition"... with ISBN#s)
http://www.freebase.com/discuss/threads/guid/9202a8c04000641f80000000058694f9?domain=/book
Is there any place to put this information on an album?
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An album can have multiple mixes which can be released multiple times in multiple countries. If your friend is this obsessive (-: s/he needs to go all the way down to the Release Event type, which is a particular release by a manufacturer in a region of a Musical Release of a Musical Album.
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Hi crism...
Oh my. I'd found Musical Release but didn't go that far into "Release Event"...that's definitely pretty deep to have to go to put the catalog #. :)
Part of the goal is to let obsessive fans get in there and do the work of completing the catalog. But I'll have to get creative with the queries if it's this far away from "album"...
So if I'm going to be doing that: why is Artist on both Musical Album and Musical Release? Should it be allowed to change? If the artist is not the same, then wouldn't it have to be considered a new album? (If I re-recorded Sgt. Peppers, it shouldn't be considered a release of that album, should it?)
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The Release Event is a compound value type; the label and catalog number show up as apparent properties of Musical Release. The exact structure is only an issue if using the API.
The artist can change on reissues. For example, there is a single Billy Joel-branded release of what is actually two albums by two bands that he was in before he started his solo career. Same exact recordings, but different packaging and crediting. You are right that a re-recording is a new album.
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I just noticed that "drum" is typed "Musical performance role" which seems to be a very confusing name. Shouldn't the type be "musical instrument"?
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Musical instrument includes Musical Performance Role, and drum is both. The reason for the co-typing is so that an artist in a band can have the roles of lead vocals and bass guitar, without having to have separate properties for each.
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For mw's consideration:
I've created a type in my personal domain called "Musician" which includes types "Person" and "Musical Artist." This type requires that its topics be individual persons, but we can also provide greater detail about their personal identity. Individuals can also be tied to the instruments they play (a property I've also added). Let me know what you think.-
This is interesting, Cedric, and it seems useful. The instrument played property is definitely more helpful here than on Musical Artist. What other properties did you have in mind?
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I changed my mind… “Instruments Played” and “Vocal Range” are now properties of Musical Artist, reciprocated by the Musical instrument and Musical vocal types. I have migrated the few instances you had in Musician to these types. Thanks for the very useful suggestion.
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