Media Common

Quotation: Quote as an alias for this type?

2008-06-10T18:31:41.0007Z

Good idea. Consider it done.

Quotation: Quote as an alias for this type?

2008-06-10T01:47:25.0012Z

Seems like 'Quote' might be a good alias for the 'Quotation' type

Adaptation: Property for adaptation media?

2008-04-28T23:43:15.0007Z

It's live. Have at it! I made the list an enum, and populated it with what seemed like likely topics; if I missed any, please add them.

Adaptation: Property for adaptation media?

2008-04-28T21:50:38.0007Z

Perfect! Ship it! :)

Adaptation: Property for adaptation media?

2008-04-28T21:35:31.0007Z

http://sandbox.freebase.com/view/en/pride_and_prejudice

Take a look at this, and let me know what you think. But think quickly, because this will go away in a few hours.

Adaptation: Property for adaptation media?

2008-04-28T21:26:05.0007Z

D'oh! You're right, Chris. I don't know what I was thinking. I'll try adding a new property on "adapted work" for the medium on sandbox.

Adaptation: Property for adaptation media?

2008-04-28T21:21:37.0009Z

This sounds in some way like more of a client issue than a modeling issue. Should we denormalize the information implied by the type itself by making a property that basically contains the name of the type? Or should the client display this information in some other way? Dates tend to exist already on most of the types that are involved in adaptations, and sometimes as disambiguators. Again, this would be a denormalization to stick this value into a CVT. I'm not sure what the solution is; I understand the problem you're running into, since I've run up against it myself, but I really don't think a CVT is a great idea here.

Adaptation: Property for adaptation media?

2008-04-28T21:18:54.0007Z

Faye’s primary suggestion, adding a property, doesn’t require a new type. Having a type for creative work medium would make it more robust, but no new types are actually required.

Adaptation: Property for adaptation media?

2008-04-28T20:24:43.0007Z

It's just that when you're looking at a topic with adaptations, having only their names displayed doesn't really mean much to a user, especially since the adaptations tend to inherit the same name as the original work.

Take the Jane Eyre book topic, for example. It has eight adaptations listed: "Jane Eyre", "Jane Eyre", "Jane Eyre", "Jane Eyre", "Jane Eyre", "Jane Eyre", "Jane Eyre", "Jane Eyre". A user has to click on every single one to find out which is a film, a tv program, or a play, to find out if any of them is a dup, or to find out if a particular adaptation is already in the list.

Wikipedia puts diambiguating information into the page title: "Jane Eyre (Book)", "Jane Eyre, Film (1981)", etc. We don't -- because the logic goes we have type information, and a user can figure out what something is by looking at its type(s). Well, if that's the argument, then we should strive to display that type information where disambiguation is needed. I even think adding Date information to adaptations would be useful.

Adaptation: Property for adaptation media?

2008-04-28T17:43:26.0000Z

You're already talking about creating a new type, enumeration or otherwise, so in this case the icing and the cake are the same (mousse?). We'd actually have to insert a CVT between "adaptation" and "adapted work" to do this, so I'm a little reluctant to do this unless you have a pressing use case in mind.

Adaptation: Property for adaptation media?

2008-04-25T23:35:55.0012Z

Hi, I'd like to suggest adding a property to capture the media for which an adaptation is done, like "Adaptation Media" or "Adapted for Media". I'd also suggest checking the "displaying as disambiguator" option for this media property.

This way, when you're looking at an Adapted Work and there's a list of Adaptations, you can see at a glance the media/format for which they've been adapted, like "Jane Eyre - TV Program", "Iron Man - Film", "High School Musical - Play (aka Musical)", and "V for Vandetta - Book" (adapted from the film adapted from the comic book).

A secondary type of enumerated "adaptation media" may be created to help guiding user input to the appropriate types. But that's like icing on the cake. I'd be happy just to have cake.

Media genre: A Blog is a Media genre

2007-08-23T03:20:50.0007Z

Even I was confused as I was thinking about this. The difference is between Blog being TYPED Media genre and Blog INCLUDING type Media genre. In the first case, you're only speaking for the Blog type itself, which, as Chris pointed, is the correct thing to do. In the second, you are speaking for all instances of the Blog type, asserting them to be Media genres.

Media genre: A Blog is a Media genre

2007-08-23T02:04:16.0000Z

The type Blog really shouldn’t be a sub-type of (i.e., include the type) Media genre. Blogs, collectively, are a media genre; Daily Kos is a blog, not a media genre. Broadcast television is a media genre; your local NBC affiliate is a television station, not a media genre. Does that make sense?

Media genre: A Blog is a Media genre

2007-08-22T18:33:03.0007Z

If you want to create a new type "Blog", you should make it first in your private domain or on Sandbox. I'm not sure what our protocol for moving private schemas to the public domains is (if we have one), but a private domain is definitely the place to start.

In terms of property inheritance, there is none -- a schema in one of the "public" domains has no particular special properties that a published schema in a private domain lacks, AFAIK.

Media genre: A Blog is a Media genre

2007-08-22T07:05:49.0007Z

But what I mean is that the type Blog should be in type "Media genre" and inherit its properties.

Media genre: A Blog is a Media genre

2007-08-21T18:12:13.0000Z

Looks like you figured it out!

Quotation: Fictional Character reciprocity

2007-08-20T23:02:46.0007Z

Pretty much because nobody thought of it before. At any rate, it's done now.

Media genre: A Blog is a Media genre

2007-08-20T22:11:06.0011Z

I am trying to figure out how to make a Blog be a Media genre; I'm very new here and it seems like to do that I should suggest it either here or on the Blog type discussion page, or in both places.

Quotation: Fictional Character reciprocity

2007-08-08T07:19:57.0011Z

Why don't we reciprocate fictional character quotes onto fictional character?

Media Common: Home Video, Fan projects, etc.

2007-07-09T16:58:59.0007Z

There was some work done on anime-specific OVA for an anime/manga domain, but nothing beyond that that I'm aware of. Feel free to tackle any part of these areas!

Media Common: Home Video, Fan projects, etc.

2007-07-06T00:53:37.0012Z

There was some modeling being done in June 2007 for such video products like Home Video (videotape/dvd/online/downloadable content), Direct-to-DVD/Videotape, OAV/OVA etc.

I guess it got erased on sandbox and was wondering if any new/further efforts to classify such things as the direct to dvd sequals of movies, episodic programming like Star Trek: Hidden Frontiers and other fan-created shows that are not for sale, the big Anime market for Videotape/Laserdisc/DVDs of non-broadcasted/non-theatical works.

Then there is the new internet-online only shows which aren't really podcasts but attempts to do close to if not network-quality production to be watched streamed on broadband connections.

Quotation: legalese

2007-06-08T01:31:59.0006Z

Thanks for thinking about these legal issues - it's very important that we make sure restricted data doesn't get into Freebase. Even if a site's license allows it, we really want to be good neighbors and only use data that others have worked hard to accumulate with their explicit permission.

Given that, one source you might want to look at is http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Main_Page

We have a good collaborative relationship with Wikipedia, so I believe these are quotes that you can import with no concerns.

Thanks again for helping to build Freebase's quote repository! I agree, this could become a very exciting aspect of Freebase.

Quotation: legalese

2007-06-07T05:13:13.0006Z

On second thought, I did check a few websites' Terms of Use and it would seem that this kind of behaviour is forbidden, but I don't particularly see what's wrong since they don't "own" quotations themselves.

Quotation: legalese

2007-06-07T05:10:51.0011Z

I suppose this holds for any information really, but especially quotes...Is there something wrong with, say, going to brainyquotes.com and then adding in a few hundred quotes for some people in Freebase using the quotes on their website as a source? I have an idea in mind for a Freebase app that would really benefit from quotes and without really thinking about the legal issues, I wrote up a script to rip quotes and attribute them to someone on Freebase. After testing on the sandbox (Mohandas Gandhi now has 50+ quotations) I realized I should probably ask this before going any further.

Quotation: Who is the source?

2007-05-24T01:57:53.0006Z

I changed my opinion on this.

I added a 'spoken by fictional character' property that allows you to attribute it to both the original author and the character. In the case of Judy Garland, I would attribute the quotation to the fictional character Dorothy Gale and optionally Noel Langley (unless the line appeared in the original book, then it should be attributed to Baum.)

We will soon fix the film schema so that fictional characters are topics instead of strings. Once this is done, it will be possible to attribute the quotation to Judy Garland though her quoted fictional characters.

Quotation: Misattributions

2007-05-24T01:09:22.0006Z

I just added a property to quotations called "incorrectly attributed to" which will hold this. Have fun!

Quotation: Who is the source?

2007-05-24T01:07:03.0006Z

If it's performed, I think most people would want to see it attributed to the actor, particularly if it's not derived from another work that made the quotation famous beforehand. For example, I wouldn't attribute a Hamlet quotation to Laurence Olivier.

Quotation: Misattributions

2007-05-24T00:02:42.0005Z

I'd suggest Misattributions as a property on Quotation.

Many quotes are regularly misattributed to someone. (Einstein and Ben Franklin are two folks who perennially get credit for things others said, and there was that inspiring "Nelson Mandela" quote that made the rounds a few years back, but turned out to be from Marianne Williamson: http://skdesigns.com/internet/articles/quotes/williamson/our_deepest_fear/

Quotation: Who is the source?

2007-05-23T23:52:00.0011Z

"Toto, I've got a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore."

Should we attribute this to Dorothy Gale (character)? Judy Garland (actor)? Noel Langley (film writer)? L Frank Baum (author of the book the film was based on, though the quote may or may not actually be in the novel, I'm not sure)?

I'm inclined to source it to the person (Judy Garland) who said it, not the one who wrote it. In some cases (e.g. political quotes like "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country") we may only know the speaker, not the writer.

All that said...whaddaya say?